--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cliffordholm"
wrote:
>
>
> Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?

(snips)
should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
> the original planter stocked them?
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>

I'd say do not remove anything the placer put in the box. That's the
beginning of other possible 'improvements' that finders might think
necessary.

Perhaps a 'contact the placer' note in which you offer your
hypothesis/solution is in order.

azobox

cliffordholm wrote:
> Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?
>
> I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
> placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
> granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
> help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
> wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...
>
> The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
> binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
> some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
> support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
> hard to get a full impression of the image.
>
> Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
> bring their own. Of course that is if my hypothosis about the source
> of the moisture being the internal ink pad, not external rain.
>
> Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
> damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
> the original planter stocked them?
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>
>


I do not put ink pads in my boxes for a few reasons.

For one, it can be expensive and I am cheap.

Secondly, they take up room and I prefer to make a box as small as
possible. To this end I even eliminate using logbooks in every box in a
series, preferring instead to have just one logbook at the end of the
series.

Finally, here in the Mid-Atlantic region we have a freeze thaw cycle
that repeats between 20 and 30 times a winter. Not only is this cycle
destructive to our roads, but also to ink pads in boxes.

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

Real men don't do virtual letterboxes or pastels!

azobox wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cliffordholm"
> wrote:
>
>> Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?
>>
>
> (snips)
> should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
>
>> the original planter stocked them?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cliff
>>
>>
>
> I'd say do not remove anything the placer put in the box. That's the
> beginning of other possible 'improvements' that finders might think
> necessary.
>
> Perhaps a 'contact the placer' note in which you offer your
> hypothesis/solution is in order.
>
> azobox
>

Forgot to add that. Yup, totally agree.

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

Real men don't do virtual letterboxes or pastels!

Hi Cliff~

I think that rather than the in pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems, it's more likely the elements reeking havoc! When there are ink pads in boxes, I assume the planter did so to assure the image is transferred as intended - after all, the purple cow would hardly bring the same effect if stamped in green, now would it? : )

Another thought is that if everyone used a different color ink to stamp with, and the stamp wasn't properly cleaned after stamping (as we all know is a rare occasion), then the ink that transfers to others stamp pads could make quite a mess. Just a thought as to why boxers might place ink pads in boxes.

As for removing the ink pad from another persons box - not a good idea. I think the box owner would much more appreciate a note expressing your concerns.

OK, now LET'S BOX!!! MayEve



cliffordholm wrote:

Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?

I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...

The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
hard to get a full impression of the image.

Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
bring their own. Of course that is if my hypothosis about the source
of the moisture being the internal ink pad, not external rain.

Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
the original planter stocked them?

Thanks,
Cliff






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< placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage.

Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
bring their own. >>

Additional solution: Don't abandon boxes. Check boxes regularly and replace damaged items.

cliffordholm wrote:

Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?

I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...

The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
hard to get a full impression of the image.

Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
bring their own. Of course that is if my hypothosis about the source
of the moisture being the internal ink pad, not external rain.

Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
the original planter stocked them?

Thanks,
Cliff






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I would not be at all happy if someone randomly removed the inkpad from any
of my boxes. Please do not make assumptions about the boxes that others
have taken to time to create and plant.

BostonRott

bostonrott@verizon.net

-----Original Message-----


Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
the original planter stocked them?

Thanks,
Cliff

cliffordholm wrote:

> Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?
>
> I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
> placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
> granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
> help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
> wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...

I don't think the ink pad is the source of the moisture problems --
but they certainly exacerbate them. Without an ink pad, things just
get wet. With an ink pad, everything gets stained.

I think the biggest problem with the older boxes is that nobody knew
about Lock&Lock containers back then. Lock&Locks, plus a couple of
blatant copies, are about the only food container that'll seal
reliably long term. Five years from now, I expect that boxes planted
in Lock&Locks today will still be dry inside, ink pad or no.

> The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
> binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
> some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
> support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
> hard to get a full impression of the image.

I've found several boxes where the log book had been soaked for so
long as to be unopenable. It was basically a solid block of damp
cellulose.

> Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
> bring their own.

A perfectly workable plan *if* the stamp doesn't call for some
particular ink color. If it does, you need to provide it. I don't
provide ink if the stamp calls for black, because I expect people
have that. Might say the same for green, most people have that.

I have one box that requires orange ink. I tell people to go buy
some, since there's a Michael's within 200 yards of the box! It'd be
kinda interesting to track the sales of orange ink at that particular
Michael's.

One idea might be to provide a marker in the box, since they
generally have fairly secure caps -- as opposed to the sorry lids on
ink pads. The trouble there, though, is that Marvy markers are so
%$^& long! And I never seem to get a good image using markers, they
always end up a bit blotchy.

If anyone meets somebody from one of the ink pad companies, slap 'em
upside the head about making ink pads that aren't even close to
airtight. I mean, what's up with that? Isn't this a product that
obviously should be securely sealed when closed?

> Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
> damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
> the original planter stocked them?

Do NOT remove them. Add a baggie for the ink pad itself.

If you think the box would really be better off without an ink pad,
suggest that to the owner. He can post a first aid notice asking the
next finder to remove the pad if he so chooses.

-- Kirbert

I agree, never remove an inkpad. It's not your "place" to "improve"
someones box. Suggesting the change to them, sure.

Perhaps there are wet boxes with pads in them, but I have seen many more dry
boxes with pads.

RIFamily
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Totally agree!! Why bring along your own ink pads AND pay to put them into your boxes? Silly!! Boxes should consist of a log, a stamp, a disclaimer/warning and maybe a First Finders 'token/certificate'.

We have about 35 colored "Le Plume" pens in our backpack so we can color stamps prettily. On the rare occasions we do find ink pads in Lbs, they're either cruddy, dried out, a color we don't like or, in one case contaminating the whole box.

Leave Ink Pads OUT!! LIPO!

~~Doublesaj & Old Blue~~

----Original Message----
From: cliffordholm@yahoo.com
Date: 07/06/2007 10:45
To:
Subj: [LbNA] are inkpads inside boxes bad ?








Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?

I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...

The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
hard to get a full impression of the image.

Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
bring their own. Of course that is if my hypothosis about the source
of the moisture being the internal ink pad, not external rain.

Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
the original planter stocked them?

Thanks,
Cliff








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The only time I've seen an ink pad contribute to a moisture problem is if moisture gets to the ink pad and the ink pad is in the same bag as the logbook. If the ink pad and stamp are in a separate bag than the log book then there is a good chance the log book won't be damaged.

Your moral dilemma is a simple one. The placer has paid for the ink pad in their box, there is no reason why you should remove it without their permission. If you want to use your own ink pad there is nothing stopping you, there could be variety of reasons why the placer choose to have an ink pad in their box, you can use it or not.

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> From: cliffordholm@yahoo.com
> Date: 07/06/2007 10:45
> To:
> Subj: [LbNA] are inkpads inside boxes bad ?
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> Question: Are ink pads inside letterboxes causing moisture problems?
>
> I've recently found some letterboxes that I'd call "older" such as
> placed in 2002. I've noticed that those have water damage. Now
> granted they've been exposed to the elements longer but I couldn't
> help but notice they had ink pads inside with them. The ink pad is a
> wet source of moisture... or the pad would be dried out and not work...
>
> The water damage I've seen have ranged from mild, rusty staples on the
> binding of the log book, to severe where the log book actually having
> some of the finder's stamps washed out. The worst case was the wood
> support on the back of the stamp was warped and with the hump it was
> hard to get a full impression of the image.
>
> Solution: Stop placing ink pads inside the box, assume people will
> bring their own. Of course that is if my hypothosis about the source
> of the moisture being the internal ink pad, not external rain.
>
> Moral dilemma: If I'm correct about internal ink pads causing moisture
> damage should I remove any ink pads I find or should I keep them how
> the original planter stocked them?
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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If we find ourselves drawn to this point of view, would that be LIPO-
suction?
:-)
pezpam

On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:47 PM, doublesaj@hughes.net wrote:

> Leave Ink Pads OUT!! LIPO!



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Possibly,,, but a LIPO-ectomy might be closer to the fact. :-)
Gary

At 08:20 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote:
>If we find ourselves drawn to this point of view, would that be LIPO-
>suction?
>:-)
>pezpam
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>On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:47 PM, doublesaj@hughes.net wrote:
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> > Leave Ink Pads OUT!! LIPO!
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